The Tolkien Society
Watch out ladies, they’ve got swords and aren’t scared to unsheath them
Long an admirer of Tolkien, I have been a member of the Tolkien Society for some years now. It’s a way to fully appreciate Professor Tolkien’s unique and very English genius as a prolific sub-creator. And I mean the real, literary Tolkien, not the juvenilised version in Peter Jackson’s films.
I know Tolkien is not everyone’s cup of tea. Regardless, you have to admire the exhaustive and very learned creativity he poured into his life work. A professor of philology and Anglo-Saxon at Oxford, he spent a lifetime creating the languages, history and geography of Middle-Earth as well as writing his greatest books, the Silmarillion and the Lord of the Rings. His purpose was to create a mythology for England, which he felt was sadly lacking, having been stamped out by the Anglo-Normans. I know of nothing else like Tolkien’s achievement in the history of literature. For people of a scholarly bent studying Tolkien is endlessly fascinating. The Tolkien Society has helped people gain an appreciation of Tolkien through its publications and conferences on Tolkien. It’s not some amateur society of immature Middle-Earth geeks, nerds and cosplayers but a serious literary organisation.
Unfortunately, like everything else, the Tolkien Society has gone woke. This years Tolkien Society conference is called “Tolkien and Diversity”. Papers to be presented include, “Gondor in Transition: A Brief Introduction to Transgender Realities in The Lord of the Rings,” “The Lossoth: Indigeneity, Identity, and Antiracism,” and “‘Something Mighty Queer’: Destabilizing Cishetero Amatonormativity in the Works of Tolkien.” There is also “ Pardoning Saruman?: The Queer in Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings”. WTF?
It’s immediately apparent that the “scholars” presenting these papers don’t know the first thing about Tolkien. It sounds more like they hate Tolkien and would like to destroy his achievement. Tolkien had nothing whatsoever to say about Woke obsessions. He would have hated wokedom. There are no “transgender realities” in Tolkien. There is nothing about race or queerness. And he certainly wouldn’t have cared a fuck about “cishetero amatonormativity.”
Why would these morons want to vandalise Tolkien’s work with their abnormal obsessions. Because deep down they hate him. He represents all that they despise – a conservative, an English patriot with a deep love of England and it’s countryside, a Christian with a tolerant world view but respectful of others and a WW1 veteran. Someone who believed in the value of English civilisation. He was also an Edwardian and like others of his generation had a benign but hierarchical view of society.
That Woke idiots now come to slander, distort and destroy these sub-creations of Tolkien is also, paradoxically, a testament to his legacy. Like Melkor and Sauron, they are possessed by the dark thoughts of their own imaginings and want to bring Tolkien down to their grubby level, where everything can be reduced to race and sex and politics. And the Tolkien Society are letting these orcs in through the front door.
A veritable Mount Doom of cunt.
https://www.tolkiensociety.org/events/tolkien-society-summer-seminar/
Nominated by the Marvellous Mechanical Cunting Machine
“Cishetero Amatonormativity”
Yer ‘avin a larf. Cishetero Amatonormativity is the Prime Minister of Nagorno-Karabakh.
(or ought to be)
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Lord of the rings always sounded gay.
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I had a dream once that I’d written that book.
My missus said “You’ve been Tolkien in your sleep again “
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A lord of the rings sized cunting for the lord of the rings society 😀
The left will get their hooks into everything so it doesn’t really come as any surprise that this bunch have been compromised!
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Lord of the rings?
Cant stop reading it
Its becoming a bit of a hobbit…
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Booo 😒 boooooo 😷 booooooooo👎
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Miserable, looking at the map of Middle Earth doesn’t count as reading.
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That joke breached elf n safety?
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“Have you ever kissed a girl son?”
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First the frightened of spiders admission, now this!
Whilst the cunting of the infiltration of the woke left is merited I think there is a Dungeon and Dragons fans type bigger picture 🙁
MMCM, a third embarrassing nomination on the bounce and they’ll be no coming back for you 😀
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No interest in Dungeons and Dragons TBRILW. That craze passed me by, thankfully.
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My next nom will be on Star Trek 😉
No, not really…..
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Yes and I liked it.
The taste of her cherry chap-stick 🤪
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What’s going on?
This man is South African not even English!
He would have changed his name if he had any feelings for this country and the fact that he is revealed as a WW1 vegetarian is damning!
England has enough home grown writers without having to resort to suspect foreigners.
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He was English Bertie – although I suspect you are being tongue in cheek. Born in South Africa to English parents. His father had a temporary appointment in S Africa and Tolkien only lived there for a few years. As for the German name, he had an 18th century German ancestor. Tolkien was thoroughly English and proud of it. He called England his “beloved country “.
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Thanks MMCM. You are a good source of reliable information.
Other sources often require fact checking!
😊
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Doesn’t the country of your birth denote your nationality? Sounds like a Saffa to me. 🤔
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No. I was born in the USA but I’m no yank.
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Your nationality depends on what country you have legal citizenship of.
For example, Boris Johnson is British although he was born in America.
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Oh I get it ! If you’re born in a stable it doesn’t make you a horse then ?
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A fucking Veggie….no wonder he had plenty of time to write his books..he’ll have never been invited anywhere or had friends to occupy his time.
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“A fucking veggie.”
If you look back, I think that was concealing ‘a joke! “ Hur, hur.”
©️ RTC 2020
Evening Dick.
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Evening,Bertie.
You keeping fit ?
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Hello Dick, not too bad, although I’ve certainly not felt as good as I did before the two vaccines. I felt OK immediately after but not long term.
Did you ever change your mind about not having a second jab?
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Evening Bertie.
Minor point of order:
“Hur, hur” is in fact © Beavis & Butthead 1996.
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No I didn’t,Bertie. I felt really fucking ill after the first and no way that I was signing up for another dose.
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Evening Fiddler, did Kevin from the builders merchants and his mate ever turn up? I’m sure you could have done with a laugh.
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No sign of them yet,LL…perhaps they’re coming on pushbikes…bound to take them a while.
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You’re a young ‘un Dick, living in the sticks – chances of you ending up on a ventilator are almost zero.
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Evening,RTC….I’ve no objection to older people or the vulnerable continuing to isolate if that’s what the want…what fucks me off is that we were told “Get vaccinated…it’s the only way to get back to normal”…now that most people HAVE been vaccinated,they’re still treating everyone like delicate flowers….or fucking fools.
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I bet Dick Fiddler would agree with me that none of the mincy benders in the picture played rugby at school. Probably all still get bullied now.
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Fucking right,Rob…they’ll have been the “delicate” kids who always had a sick-note and cried when we stuffed their “delicate” bookwormy heads down the shitter…..I miss the good old days.
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The sad twats look like they dont even know what to do with their gimp
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I’m horrified at that!
I once bought one of those anti bullying wristbands to let everyone know how I felt about that sort of behaviour.
Well, I say bought one. I pinched it of some shitty little ginger whiner.
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Oh yes this is for me MMCM. And of course Tolkein famously wrote ”The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work.’
The depth, the symbolism…
A marvellous cunting which leaves me…how can I say? Absolutely indifferent.
Yes I’m afraid I’m one of those for whom Tolkien is ‘not my cup of tea’ to say the least. And not from the want of trying I might add. The books were left around in childhood because my brother was obssessed by it. I tried and tried but it leaves me not cold, just bored.
And it isn’t that I don’t like fantasy fiction. I loved ‘The Chronicles of Narnia’. But Tolkien…’I just don’t get’.
Sorry, I’m out.
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Tolkien was indeed a devout Catholic, Miles and it shaped his attitudes and outlook on life. As a Catholic myself I have always responded to his outlook.
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Just thinking about it. I think ‘I get’ the Chronicles if Narnia because there are human beings in it. I know there are fantasy creatures that can talk but I think the fact that Peter. Susan, Edmund are humans.somehow makes it more believable for me.
Yes I can never quite get over the hobbits not being human. I never get beyond that.
It it just too much to take on imaginatively.
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Miles, I think you ‘get’ the Narnia books more because they are allegorically christian. Aslan is Jesus, Edmund is Judas and the turkish delight is a big pile of shekels. I’ve no idea who the wicked, treacherous, swarthy, hook-nosed Goblins are supposed to represent.
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Thought it was widely accepted as a criticism of the industrial revolution. It’s not subtle about it either.
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Attempted to read Lord of The Rings circa 1968 – it was very fashionable reading at my school back then – but didn’t make it past the first couple of chapters…. went back to Fanny Hill instead.
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Is that a wank mag?
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@Lazybuscuits.
He went through the First World War and experienced all that destruction. A lot if it us a reaction to that.
All the stuff sbout ‘The Shires’ is a reaction to industrialisation, the
‘Machine Age’.
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Spot on Miles. Lord of the Rings was his reaction to the horrors he witnessed in WWI. He started to create his mythology in the trenches. It was his way of dealing with real PTSD, unlike the dark-key poof in that other nom.
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Almost, Miserable.
“Fanny Hill, in full Memoirs of Fanny Hill, an erotic novel by John Cleland, was first published in two volumes in 1748–49 as Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure. An expurgated version published in 1750 chronicles the life of a London prostitute, describing with scatological and clinical precision many varieties of sexual behaviour. Although elegantly written, the novel was condemned as pornography and was suppressed from its initial publication, almost never being mentioned in literary circles. It was kept in print surreptitiously, however, and for almost two centuries Fanny Hill enjoyed a salacious reputation.”
The copy I wanked over was almost certainly published illegally in this country at the time.
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Sheer filth!👍👍
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Same happened to me circa 1980. Was given The Hobbit, tried to read it, tossed after chapter 2. Don’t see the appeal at all.
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“But Tolkien…’I just don’t get’.
Sorry, I’m out.”
Hold on a minute Miles, I might have the very book for you. One I picked up in a Myton Hospice shop called…
The Battle For Middle Earth
(Tolkien’s divine design in the Lord of the Rings)
Written by a chap called Fleming Rutledge (an Episcopal priest) and he cuts away the allegory to show the catholic christian underpinnings of the trilogy, its character and events, its outwardly messianic figures (Aragorn) momnets of ‘divine intervention’ at moments of impending doom (the Eagles) and so on and so forth.
Not a Christian m’self but nevertheless found it an illuminating and absorbing read, bit of a ‘page turner’ in fact which did surprise me.
The ISBN no. is 0-8028-2497-8
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Oh yeah… bit of a spoiler alert… his conclusion – the REAL hero of the book is in fact Samwise Gamgee. Which is what I always thought after reading it. Frodo is just the supporting narrative vehicle for Samwise. The film does appear to take this on board.
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Thanks for that CC. I’ll look out for it.
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To me it looks like a cover to have dirty, debaucherously filthy sex parties with lots of liquor, poppers and other uppers and downers.
Getting ASMR thinking about what Gandalf might do with his staff to me.
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I always dreamt about Galadriel letting me have a little touch of her ring…
Can you still say ‘orcs’ by the way? Sounds a bit waycist to me, and then Gandalf turned up in his KKK outfit. Oh the symbolism of it all.
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Still it’s nice to see Ed Sheeran has a hobby-it.
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“You Tolkien to me?”
Hobbit de Niro….
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These cosplay nerds are a pain. Anyway, they are mostly harmless. Woke “scholars” on the other hand….
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I never read The Hobbit as a child….I was probably playing rugby….and I really can’t imagine that a story about some hairy Warwick Davis type lusting after a dragon’s ring-piece would appeal now.
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I don’t think you’ve missed much Mr F. Fucking homo-fantasy stuff apparently, written by a foreigner.
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I have to say I preferred the Harvard Lampoon’s excellent parody “Bored of the Rings”.
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Dildo Bugger. And Galadriel was a sex starved nymphomaniac if I remember. I loved that parody.
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Oh Rama, Rama, ride now on thy golden unicycle and warn the unicorns and the drag queens…
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Avoided it when it was the thing in the hippy days. No interest in it now. However, Tolkien was fucking asking for it wasnt he?
Where is the diversity?
No apologies for slavery. Typical white supremacist. Is there a statue to deface? Although I wouldnt advise trying it in Bloemfontein.
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The Tolkien Way is a decent walk. About 3 hours and finish at the pub for lunch and a few beers.
Little village called Hurst Green adjacent to Stonyhurst college. Nice part of the world. I have family there and when I asked my cousin about a family nearby he said he didn’t know much about them as they were strangers and only been there about 25 years
Story is Tolkien got his ideas whilst walking that trail.
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Good nom MMCM 👍
Shows how the insidious tentacles of wokedom gets into every niche and corner.
Ive read Lord of the rings and the Hobbit, and watched the films, don’t see any issue or need for trannys,
And the orcs are dark keys so theyre represented.
Its fiction why they scared of it?
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LOTR is a good book (“books” technically).
The Tolkien woke Society are cunts.
Fucking rodents.
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So a load of Kings, armies and warriors let 4 big footed shortarses travel across half the Country on foot on a mission carrying the most prized and dangerous possession known while Gandalf the fkin clueless can snap his fingers to rustle up a bunch of giant flying eagles and doesn’t bother.
It rather smacks of a lack of planning TBH.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZrJPiq9QGM
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Sir Lenny Henry is set to play him in a forthcoming biopic.
Just anotherTolkien d4rkee.
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I see the Hobbit more as a grooming and sartorial guide.
Those Warwick Davis types are suitably bearded, and I approve.
Gimli is like a me aged 8yrs.
Id happily sit in the pub with the little cunts.
Nowt wrong with middle earth types, salt of the earth!!
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It looks to me like MMCM is rapidly turning into Sheldon Cooper.
Bazinga!
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Sheldon Cooper. He’s a bit of a thicko by my standards, Freddie 😉
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Miles hates Sheldon!
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I’ve enjoyed reading the Lord of the Rings many times and also the Simarillion which if you can get past the first 30 pages or so has some cracking stories in it as well. Struggled with the History of Middle Earth, just too detailed for my liking.
Admire Tolkien for what was a lifetime’s work creating the languages and stories and trying to tie them in with English mythology.
Certainly deserves leaving as it is, without trying to tie in trans, gay or black issues. But doesn’t everything have to be now. I hope these cunts realise that in 40 years time people will be looking back at them and pulling them up on social network because what they said or done will no longer socially acceptable.
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At last an intelligent post 👍
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I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member. (Groucho Marx)
When stoned out of my box I enjoyed LOTR very much indeed. I also enjoyed the little rhthmic pings and sproings made by my then clockwork wristwatch. The former is no more great literature than the latter is great music. It was for its time pretty good escapist fantasy…although the first two books of the Gormenghast trilogy beat it hollow, and JG Ballard was a far more interesting writer. Ursula Le Guin was doing dragons long before Tolkien reached the public consciousness.
Childish thoughts populate much of the Tolkien mindscape: wizards, elves, made-up languages,dragons, horrible monsters and shining, lucent heroes. Even the very occasional asexual heroine. I can recall no very profound insights and the plot lines were pretty uncomplicated. Why would anyone want a Tolkien Society? There really isn’t much there for lit.crit. fiends – just for the dressing-up fans who go for Star Wars and Dune.
“It’s immediately apparent that the “scholars” presenting these papers don’t know the first thing about Tolkien.”
True enough. They’re falling over each other in their eagerness to misrepresent his work. That’s what Arts academics do. It’s a new wrinkle – No-one’s actually come right out and suggested JRT played for the other side, or that that explains (insert fragment here). Wow! Original insights! Wow! Can get a PhD out of this! But to do that it is necessary to ignore the context, or distort it.
No. Will not be joining.
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I also admire JG Ballard. Particularly the short stories and Drowned World. And I like Peake’s Gormenghast as well, but more for Peak’s lush prose than his odd imaginative concepts. Peake wrote like Dickens on acid.
But your mistaken on Tolkien. Despite the fantasy trappings, which owe a lot to Tolkien’s readings of Anglo Saxon epics such as Beowulf, the Norse Myths and Icelandic sagas, there is a very serious conception.
As for Le Guin, whom I also admire, she wasn’t even born when Tolkien started work on his mythology in WWI. She didn’t start publishing until the late 50’s, years after Tolkien had achieved fame with The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. She was herself influenced by Tolkien.
The ability of Tolkien to create an alternative society with a fully developed system of morals and beliefs was a great achievement. Tolkien’s mythological stories are also deeply profound. Tolkien was first of all a philologist so his work is rooted in the significance and importance of language and how it’s used. His mythology centres on the desire to create and the counter acting desire of others to destroy. It deals with the concept of evil – what is evil? Is it simply an absence of good? It deals with the concepts of free will and eucatastrophe. Tolkien was a metaphysical thinker. Questions concerning the nature of created and uncreated being permeated his work. The Silmarillion was also an exercise in comparative mythology – a recreation of a mythology he believed the ancient Anglo-Saxons would have taken to, with elements derived from his readings of the origins of certain Anglo-Saxon words and practices.
As for there not being enough in Tolkien to study – Tolkien studies is one of the biggest literary publishing field around with hundreds of titles a year. Try The Road to Middle Earth by Professor Tom Shippey or A Question of Time by Professor Verlyn Flieger. Both serious academics who don’t consider Tolkien a waste of time.
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You’r right about LeGuin, of course. I read something of hers before I’d even heard of LOTR – the latter had a revival in the 70’s which is when I caught it. I believe you when you say Tolkien influenced her, as indeed he influenced the entire genre. But my point was really that Tolkien’s plots weren’t too original, and that the raw materials were easily available to him and all the others. The Hobbit is unashamedly a kid’s book – fine. My English teacher read it to us for a treat when I was 11. Let’s not conflate that – or LOTR – with Tolkien’s serious intention, to create an alternative society.
Surely anyone creative can create an alternative society, if the constraint that the new society should actually exist is not imposed. Indeed most societies described in literature are alternative, if only to the reader. The reader isn’t captivated by the details of his own life. Tolkien made up stuff. He borrowed stuff. That’s what authors do. And he reckoned creating stuff was good while destroying stuff was bad. Hardly revolutionary, and I see no buildable blueprint for Utopia in his published work.
The Sellamillion, as Private Eye (under Ingrams) termed it when it came out…your ” recreation of a mythology he believed the ancient Anglo-Saxons would have taken to, ”
the cynical take on this being that there was a draft of something Unwin had rejected as being “too Celtic” lying around after Tolkien had died, and his son thought the royalties would be rather handy. Since it was assembled by the son, and indeed added to and revised, the role of Tolkien’s intention might be debated.
I would say there are some grounds for thinking that the escapist nature of Tolkien’s popular work has contributed somewhat to the escapist society we have today. Without in the least intending to, he painted some of the scenery for liberal wokedom. In what company is his name most frequently heard?
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Anyone can create an alternative society and many authors have done so. But none have done it in the detail and to the exacting verisimilitude of Tolkien. His mythology he worked and worked on throughout his life, going through dozens of drafts and each time gaining more detail. He invented a number of languages complete with alphabets, vocabulary, syntax and grammatical structure. These languages work. People that are interested in this type of thing can even have conversations in them.
You are mistaken on The Silmarillion. Tolkien was a slow and a thorough worker. He started drafting The Silmarillion in 1914-17. He did it for his own amusement, to provide a setting and a history for his imaginative languages. He continued to work on it throughout his life. Each version became more complicated and difficult to reconcile with other aspects of his invented history. It kept expanding and branching into other directions, recast sometimes in prose and sometimes in beautiful alliterative verse. Tolkien wanted to publish it but, being a perfectionist, he was never quite happy with it. He died and his son brought it into a publishable format.
It’s a beautiful book, the central stock of his imaginative writing. It’s not a romance, nor a fairy story. It’s a work of sustained imagination, a solemn vision in the mode of myth of the conflict between the desire to dominate the world and other people and the creative power which gives rise to that desire and possessiveness.
As you rightly say Tolkien is not the only writer to have expressed these ideas. His treatment of them however is unique and bears his hallmark.
Unwin rejected The Silmarillion because it was offered to him before Lord of the Rings was published. It was too difficult a book and there would have been no market for it. Tolkien also hated Celtic mythology. His inspiration was Anglo Saxon, Norse and Finnish.
As for Tolkien helping create wokedom, I doubt that. Most admirers of Tolkien tend to be fairly conservative. But of course he’s been taken up nerds and dungeon and dragons types, who don’t even understand his work and tend to be morons. Most of this has been brought on Jackson’s films.
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Well, ok. You’re pretty good at deconstructing Tolkien to suit your own thesis. Which, (like mine, sure) is rather visibly a matter of opinion. But tell me, if some woke cunt takes as his starting point not that Tolkien was a paid-up philologist and metaphysician endeavouring to reform the world but that he was a repressed homosexual or a champion of regendering, what’s to stop them? Lit crit’s a minority sport anyway.
File under rattling good reads, once. And for the horrors of war see also Catch-22. Much subtler.
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Lit crit is all deconstruction and opinion. That’s why it’s fun. I love a literary debate.
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I really enjoyed reading this debate.
Two people with opposing views, both providing reasoned arguments and being respectful to one another whilst doing so.
Agreeing to disagree without resorting to ad hominem attacks.
What a shame there isn’t more of this in the wider world.
More like this please.
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A children’s book that’s got way out of hand. If you have the ability to grow pubic hair and you’re talking about a book full of elves and fairies there is something wrong.
It’ll probably be a religious text in the near future, it’s almost as far fetched as the fuckers they have now.
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Well theres another literary piece battered by ISAC😀
Whats next?
That pair of slags the Brontes?
Or that knickersniffer Chaucer ?
Lewis Caroll?
Dickens?
Snap their pencils!
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If Lewis Carroll existed today operation ore would be knocking.
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Only female authors that give Ruff and CC the orn’ will be permitted. That’s Agatha Christie and Virginia Woolf then.
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Maybe George Eliot? She could wear a beard.
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Chaucer – weird at first, subtitles required, ok
Austen, Bronte, Dickens, Donne, Dumas, Milton, Orwell, Shakespeare, Trollope – not weird
Carroll -psychedelic weirdo or what
Charles Kingsley- defo weirdo
Tolkien -totally fucking weird, out of the park weirdo but not in a Charles Kingsley way
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Maybe the Tolkien Society has to many caring orcs . Fuck Gandalf ,better call Gollum and tell him that the wokey caring orcs have Precious , that’s sorted then
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I read and enjoyed The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings Trilogy years ago. By the time I got to the end of the Silmarillion I’d had enough.
I’m more a fan of Tom Clancy, Lee Childs or Girl with the Dragon tattoo books.
I enjoyed a few of George MacDonald Fraser’s Flashman books.
The main character, Flashman, I suspect is modelled on Dick Fiddler.
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The Children of Hurin is a pretty dark book by Tolkein.
Wouldn’t recommend it for kiddies bedtime stories. 😨
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Yes. Very dark and sombre book.
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MMCM – if you mention liking Warhammer or Harry Potter in a future nom, these lot will be baying like a pack of hungry wolves……or should that be wargs?
Mind how you go.
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Its a slippery slope….”I only went to Comic Con dressed as Dr Who the once” just won’t cut it.
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Nope. Not into Marvel comics and the like. Haven’t read those since I was 13.
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I loathe Harry Potter and Warhammer. Not my thing at all. Tolkien is the only fantasy author I read.
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I didn’t like Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit but did enjoy Fanny Hill, which was mentioned earlier. Another interesting book was Walter: My Secret Life, set in the Victorian period, telling the story of the protagonist’s sexual adventures from boyhood to old age. A fascinating read, but a bit heavy to hold in one hand.
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This was a masterful cunting mmcm. We likes it!
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Nothing repeat nothing is safe from woke. No surrender to multi gender benders and other weird fucks including fucking peacefuls.
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